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Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby k1net1k on Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:06 pm

So i read a post today about homophobia in gaming
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Feature/287 ... hurts.aspx

Below is a link to the discussion where I obviously got flamed for being a homophobe (although i think i was the only straight person in the conversation)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/11201782517 ... 64GcbSRKuJ

Would be keen to hear of your thoughts on the matter.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby superLED on Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:56 pm

Sometimes, people get offended on purpose, just to get attention and sympathy.
It's not only with gay people, but with all sorts of people. It's the same with black people, emos, bimbos, wannabe gangsters and so on.
If they can twist a sentence into something harmful, they might do so, to get attention and sympathy.

I'm not saying all people do so, but it's common.

And yes, I may yell horrible and terrifying things in my anger when playing video games, but I do not mean any harm.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby dandymcgee on Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:33 pm

Wow, get it over it. Nobody is calling anybody anything. Should I be offended every time someone buys a box of crackers at the grocery store? The world is a crude, unfair, and harsh place, the sooner you learn that the higher your chances of surviving it will be.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby TheBuzzSaw on Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:49 pm

Frankly, it's stupid. These gay gamers act all butt hurt when people say something is "gay", but they have no problem inserting "Jesus Christ" and "God" into sentences that I, as a Christian, do not find appropriate. To each his own, I guess. I really don't have much sympathy for them. Gamers are just idiots/trolls.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby k1net1k on Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:39 pm

TheBuzzSaw wrote:Frankly, it's stupid. These gay gamers act all butt hurt when people say something is "gay", but they have no problem inserting "Jesus Christ" and "God" into sentences that I, as a Christian, do not find appropriate. To each his own, I guess. I really don't have much sympathy for them. Gamers are just idiots/trolls.


They probably argue that they are born like that, and you chose that.... I assume there are gay members on the forum, so im trying to be diplomatic
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby Ginto8 on Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:20 pm

Idiots will be idiots; if you unwilling to deal with idiots, find a way to host a selective game, or don't play games popular with idiots.

It's a little sad that it has to be that way, but it is how it is. Not only is it a practical problem to prevent such things (it would be a tremendous waste of resources to investigate claims to this), but it simply wouldn't work; these assholes are actually a pretty significant chunk of at least the FPS market.

That said, individual cases of repetitive harassment (provided the victim actually tried to avoid them, and failed; not trying to avoid them just makes the victim stupid) or harassment that somehow manages to leak out of the game scenario (you can turn off a game for an hour to cool down, but you can't do the same with life) should be punished severely. There's a difference between an obnoxious idiot and a real bully, and it seems that a lot of people forget that. When someone is just obnoxious, they aren't actually hurting someone; they're annoying them. If someone is genuinely hurt by an obnoxious idiot, then they should do themselves a favor and find a way to avoid them. If the idiot goes out of his way to keep the hurt going, then and only then is it genuine harassment, and worthy of enforcement.

tl;dr butthurt != harassment
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby LeonBlade on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:06 am

I'm so tired of hearing people complain about certain words being used and being so hurt by it.
The world is full of people who hate each other, and gays are no different than anyone else.

White people are crackers, black people are niggers, Mexican/Spanish/Latino people are spics, Koreans are gooks, Filipinos are flips, Japanese people are japs, Chinese people are chinks. Women are fat, ugly, whores, sluts, cunts, bitches, should only be in the kitchen, sexual objects. If you're from America you're fat, if you're from Canada you ride a moose everywhere you go, if you're from Australia you have a pet Kangaroo. If you're fat you're a disgusting waste of space, if you're skinny you're a scrawn, if you're short your're a midget, if you're tall you're an amazon freak. If you like games like Minecraft you have autism, if you like WoW/LoL/HoN you're a nerd, if you wear glasses you're a geek. If you're a guy with long hair you're a greasy hair mop-head hippie, if you're a girl with short hair you're a lesbian. If you're different you're weird, and if you're not like everyone else then someone else is going to bitch about you anyways. I could go on...

No matter WHERE you go in life, everyone is being made fun of, words are being used that are negative towards people.
People don't always use words in offensive ways, some people use it because that's their sense of humor, some use it in a different context, some people don't retain the same word's meaning, whatever the case may be.

So I'm a skinny tall pale white kid with long hair. Maybe I'm a hippie, or a girl, or a scrawn betafag, maybe I have autism because I like Minecraft, and because I spend a lot of time on the computer I'm a basement dwelling neckbeard even though I live upstairs.
But I don't take these things personally, and I don't take words that could be used against me negatively either, because while words CAN hurt, they can only hurt if you LET them hurt you.

It's time to grow up, and learn that it's a hard world out there, and life isn't all happy sunshines and rainbows. If someone calls something gay and you're gay, just ignore it. If you get offended by it, maybe ask them nicely. If they continue to do it, mute them or find a way to get rid of it, or just leave. It's really that simple...

I don't want to hear about gay people getting offended because someone used gay in a context that likely was nothing close to directly insulting someone's sexual preference while people all the time get called names directly and they just take it.

That's my opinion, sorry it's so long winded... And obviously, I hope no one takes offense to any of the words I used earlier that were racist, obviously I don't mean them personally, I was just stating what people are called in hurtful ways. Also, I hope no one that's homosexual takes this as if I'm going against you for this, I'm not talking about anyone as a whole, just certain people that like to take advantage of their minority or difference in society as a crutch.

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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby Van-B on Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:25 am

Jeez, gays need to man up.

When people use the term gay, especially when it's teenage kids, it tends not to target sexuality, because you are a voice and an avatar in a videogame at best. If your playing with kids, and they say that your gay, and you get offended, then switch the bloody game off and take a long hard look at yourself. What is the matter gay guys?, not getting enough attention?, your too widely accepted (ha!) so theres no point going on gay rights marches. You usually earn more money than straight men, have better nails, hair, teeth, homes... but some little git calls you a gay and all of a sudden it's victim time again.

None of the gay men I know act all hurt when someone uses the (ohh for the love of god) 'G' word - they seem to have a sense of humour about their sexuality. People take themselves too seriously, and gays and lesbians are in no position to play the victim these days.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby ismetteren on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:45 am

‘Fuck off you gay AWP whore’

What about the whores?... or the bastards for that matter.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby k1net1k on Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:42 am

It makes me happy when I look at the bottom of the page and see "Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot]"
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby TheBuzzSaw on Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:27 am

I've had plenty of friends who called people Jews or referred to failures as Jewish. It's all inherent trolling. It's disrespectful, but it's just trolling. It really does make a good case against gaming with strangers. I am no longer interested in games that advertise online play unless I know my actual friends will be playing it with me. Going beyond the mere usage of sex/race/orientation/etc. in a derogatory manner, people online simply expect to play by arbitrary rules. If I perform a Protoss Cannon rush in Starcraft 2, I am often met with severe cursings and comments revolving around "Who honestly plays the game like this?" Wellllll I just won the match, so I really don't care what you think. Go play custom maps if you want to goof around. In short, gaming with strangers is not some magical utopia of gaming. If anything, it is ASKING to be mocked as you are bound to run into that child who is severely neglected by his mother.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby Light-Dark on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:45 pm

All i have to say is, i don't give a fuck what people have to say, what it all boils down to is just incoherent trolling that starts when someone does something in-game that another person doesn't like, and they say disrespectful things and these people who get offended by it, #1 if they don't like it well then they can mute their damn headset or just leave,#2 shouldn't take it seriously, and i think ill agree with SuperLED that they just want attention this is nothing but a bunch of whiney people who can't take a damn joke or can't forgive and forget.

Simple Solution: ignore it, turn off your mic or turn off/down ingame chat volume.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby LeonBlade on Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:33 pm

That whole G+ comment thread is full of idiots, it's so annoying trying to make any sort of point in there without words being skewed or what not. I can't look at it without raging.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby k1net1k on Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:48 pm

LeonBlade wrote:That whole G+ comment thread is full of idiots, it's so annoying trying to make any sort of point in there without words being skewed or what not. I can't look at it without raging.


Its pretty hard to say anything without a flock of gays descending down and picking your words apart.
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Re: Gay characters / Homophobia in games

Postby LeonBlade on Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:15 am

k1net1k wrote:
LeonBlade wrote:That whole G+ comment thread is full of idiots, it's so annoying trying to make any sort of point in there without words being skewed or what not. I can't look at it without raging.


Its pretty hard to say anything without a flock of gays descending down and picking your words apart.

Exactly how I feel about it.
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