Jesus Christ, programable matter

Pertaining to any discovery, principle, or aspect of science and/or technology. Open debates and discussions are welcome. Also now dealing with any happening in the news.

Moderator: Geeks United

User avatar
Drakor
Chaos Rift Junior
Chaos Rift Junior
Posts: 305
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:06 pm

Jesus Christ, programable matter

Post by Drakor »

User avatar
JS Lemming
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 2383
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 4:09 pm
Location: C:\CON\CON

Post by JS Lemming »

Interesting. Sounds like if there were enough of them it could function as a brain. I'm weary of how fast they would be able to move to there correct places. It will be extremely difficult to get them to communicate quickly with them moving and all.
Small girl at the harbor wrote:Look Brandon, that crab's got ham!
DJ Yoshi
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 1021
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:12 pm
Location: Madison, AL

Post by DJ Yoshi »

JS Lemming wrote:Interesting. Sounds like if there were enough of them it could function as a brain. I'm weary of how fast they would be able to move to there correct places. It will be extremely difficult to get them to communicate quickly with them moving and all.
Except...it couldn't function as a brain.

Brains act on randomness. Computers cannot compute randomness.

At best you'd see limited AI which would be limited even more by data xfer rates.
There is no signature.
User avatar
JS Lemming
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 2383
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 4:09 pm
Location: C:\CON\CON

Post by JS Lemming »

I don't believe anything can produce true randomness. Not even brains.
Small girl at the harbor wrote:Look Brandon, that crab's got ham!
DJ Yoshi
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 1021
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:12 pm
Location: Madison, AL

Post by DJ Yoshi »

JS Lemming wrote:I don't believe anything can produce true randomness. Not even brains.
That's nice. You're wrong though.
There is no signature.
User avatar
JS Lemming
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 2383
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 4:09 pm
Location: C:\CON\CON

Post by JS Lemming »

Shut up whore. You don't know any more than me.
Small girl at the harbor wrote:Look Brandon, that crab's got ham!
DJ Yoshi
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 1021
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:12 pm
Location: Madison, AL

Post by DJ Yoshi »

JS Lemming wrote:Shut up whore. You don't know any more than me.
Keep telling yourself that "whore".

Good one, by the way.
There is no signature.
User avatar
JS Lemming
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 2383
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 4:09 pm
Location: C:\CON\CON

Post by JS Lemming »

Mac humper!
Small girl at the harbor wrote:Look Brandon, that crab's got ham!
Carnassials
Chaos Rift Newbie
Chaos Rift Newbie
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:44 pm

Post by Carnassials »

YOU'RE TEARING US APART!
Image
Heart_Flame
Chaos Rift Cool Newbie
Chaos Rift Cool Newbie
Posts: 93
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:44 pm

Post by Heart_Flame »

o_O interesting topic

I like the 3D modeling part of it...
User avatar
Meskito
Chaos Rift Newbie
Chaos Rift Newbie
Posts: 10
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 4:22 am
Current Project: 100-in-1 search engine homepage
Favorite Gaming Platforms: SNES! PS3, Xbox 360
Programming Language of Choice: C++, HTML, CSS, JS
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
Contact:

Re:

Post by Meskito »

DJ Yoshi wrote:
JS Lemming wrote:I don't believe anything can produce true randomness. Not even brains.
That's nice. You're wrong though.
Actually, he is right. The human brain is not capable of randomness, everything it does is a result of what it has learned and the chemical and electrical interactions inside of it.

Flipping a coin is also not random, it depends on the force with which you flip it, the air resistance, and the ground on which it lands.

The only thing known to be random in the universe is the position/momentum of particles on the quantum level, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
document.write(signature);
User avatar
Falco Girgis
Elysian Shadows Team
Elysian Shadows Team
Posts: 10294
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 2:04 pm
Current Project: Elysian Shadows
Favorite Gaming Platforms: Dreamcast, SNES, NES
Programming Language of Choice: C/++
Location: Studio Vorbis, AL
Contact:

Re: Re:

Post by Falco Girgis »

Meskito wrote:
DJ Yoshi wrote:
JS Lemming wrote:I don't believe anything can produce true randomness. Not even brains.
That's nice. You're wrong though.
The only thing known to be random in the universe is the position/momentum of particles on the quantum level, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
That's not even random. It just states that you can't know the velocity and position of a particle simultaneously with a high amount of precision. It has nothing to do with randomness.
User avatar
Meskito
Chaos Rift Newbie
Chaos Rift Newbie
Posts: 10
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 4:22 am
Current Project: 100-in-1 search engine homepage
Favorite Gaming Platforms: SNES! PS3, Xbox 360
Programming Language of Choice: C++, HTML, CSS, JS
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
Contact:

Re: Re:

Post by Meskito »

GyroVorbis wrote:
Meskito wrote:
DJ Yoshi wrote:
JS Lemming wrote:I don't believe anything can produce true randomness. Not even brains.
That's nice. You're wrong though.
The only thing known to be random in the universe is the position/momentum of particles on the quantum level, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
That's not even random. It just states that you can't know the velocity and position of a particle simultaneously with a high amount of precision. It has nothing to do with randomness.
You're right, but it is effectively random as we can't predict the velocity and position simultaneously at any given time, regardless of how well built the measuring tools are, or how well our equations describe it.

If a system is unpredictable, its results can be regarded as random. The Atari actually used electronic noise to generate random numbers; although I don't think electronic noise output is unpredictable, I don't really know much about it.
document.write(signature);
User avatar
eatcomics
ES Beta Backer
ES Beta Backer
Posts: 2528
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:52 pm
Location: Illinois

Re: Re:

Post by eatcomics »

Meskito wrote:
GyroVorbis wrote:
Meskito wrote:
DJ Yoshi wrote:
JS Lemming wrote:I don't believe anything can produce true randomness. Not even brains.
That's nice. You're wrong though.
The only thing known to be random in the universe is the position/momentum of particles on the quantum level, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
That's not even random. It just states that you can't know the velocity and position of a particle simultaneously with a high amount of precision. It has nothing to do with randomness.
You're right, but it is effectively random as we can't predict the velocity and position simultaneously at any given time, regardless of how well built the measuring tools are, or how well our equations describe it.

If a system is unpredictable, its results can be regarded as random. The Atari actually used electronic noise to generate random numbers; although I don't think electronic noise output is unpredictable, I don't really know much about it.
But you guys are missing the million dollar question.... What is random??? Because if there is no such thing as random, the meaning needs to be changed :)
Image
User avatar
JS Lemming
Game Developer
Game Developer
Posts: 2383
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 4:09 pm
Location: C:\CON\CON

Re: Jesus Christ, programable matter

Post by JS Lemming »

Even if randomness doesn't exist in our known universe the very concept is easily imagined. No need to limit ourselves to perceived reality.
Small girl at the harbor wrote:Look Brandon, that crab's got ham!
Post Reply