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Java Sucks

Postby dandymcgee on Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:59 am

During the most recent live stream, someone asked Falco why he hates Java so much.

This is one of the reasons why I hate Java:
http://www.zdnet.com/why-does-crapware-still-exist-follow-the-silicon-valley-money-trail-7000009830/

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Re: Java Sucks

Postby bbguimaraes on Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:05 am

Worst thing is this prevents actual users from updating java on their computers (actual users being the ones that just give up when a computer tasks demands more than two steps).
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby dandymcgee on Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:15 am

This isn't even half as bad as Adobe's practice though. They put the crapware checkbox on the website before you even download the installer which means you're downloading an installer with embedded crapware and NO CHOICE to opt-out during the installation.

This pisses me off to no end.

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Re: Java Sucks

Postby StoveBacon on Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:36 pm

McAfee is the bane of my existence. That shit was harder to remove from clients' computers than the actual malware.
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby Light-Dark on Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:27 pm

I had a discussion with some guys in #NESdev about Java and apparently it's actually used in Embedded Systems, especially in set-top-boxes. So the propaganda that "Java runs on 3 billion devices" including things like your car may be true which is slightly concerning.
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby dandymcgee on Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:59 pm

StoveBacon wrote:McAfee is the bane of my existence. That shit was harder to remove from clients' computers than the actual malware.

Pro Tip: Never try to uninstall Norton without a tested working backup, its uninstaller basically bricks the system.

While I'm not a fan of either McAfee or Norton, you have to realize that there's is a legitimate reason they're so miserably difficult to remove: to prevent malware from simply disabling/uninstalling them.

Light-Dark wrote:I had a discussion with some guys in #NESdev about Java and apparently it's actually used in Embedded Systems, especially in set-top-boxes. So the propaganda that "Java runs on 3 billion devices" including things like your car may be true which is slightly concerning.

Java is everywhere.
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby Light-Dark on Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:23 pm

dandymcgee wrote:
Light-Dark wrote:I had a discussion with some guys in #NESdev about Java and apparently it's actually used in Embedded Systems, especially in set-top-boxes. So the propaganda that "Java runs on 3 billion devices" including things like your car may be true which is slightly concerning.

Java is everywhere.


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Java Keyboard Warrior wrote:I've been studying java for certain years. You don't know the power of java unless you study java. Better think twice before saying "java sucks"


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Re: Java Sucks

Postby ron.lievens on Mon May 04, 2015 4:12 pm

Hi i'am a Java developer for many years (mostly server side).

I'll admin that Java on the user desktop is not my first choice.
(I hava the same feeling about Perl, Python, php, ...)

Java runs great on a lot of servers with high availability needs. (bank, insurance, government, phone centers; I know because I design and build these systems for this type of clients in Europe)
Also java (micro edition, a horrible standard) was on all mobile phones before the smartphone, java is also on the cell chip card (at least in Europe) and has hardware bytecode chips for embedded devices.

And all languages have pro's and con's, but don't fall in the one language/enviroment to rule all.
Saying one language sucks, is dumb!


So please don't bash a language because you can or doesn't fit you're job!
Choose the best tool for you're job and have fun creating code!
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby bbguimaraes on Mon May 04, 2015 4:26 pm

No hard feelings, but did you create an account on the forum just to defend java? That and Microsoft embracing open source in a single week... The programming world really is going crazy.
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby ron.lievens on Tue May 05, 2015 2:41 am

Would you beleive me if i say i didn't?

It's a pity you ignored the last part of the message:

And all languages have pro's and con's, but don't fall in the one language/enviroment to rule all trap.
Choose the best tool for you're job and have fun creating code!
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby bbguimaraes on Tue May 05, 2015 7:48 am

My bachelor's thesis was based on a java application (weka). It was actually quite nice. In my experience, java's bad reputation suffers much more from the windows/enterprise kind of software companies write (and they would write shitty software even in haskell or lisp) than anything in the language itself.
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Re: Java Sucks

Postby ron.lievens on Tue May 05, 2015 8:10 am

I totally agree, no language can protect itself from shitty devers or shitty project managment.
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